{"id":967,"date":"2004-06-29T10:57:55","date_gmt":"2004-06-29T15:57:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2004\/06\/irate-rated\/"},"modified":"2004-06-29T10:57:55","modified_gmt":"2004-06-29T15:57:55","slug":"irate-rated","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2004\/06\/irate-rated\/","title":{"rendered":"irate rated"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>this has been sitting around gathering dust for months (september!),  and i never got around to writing about it,  so i thought i&#8217;d take a fresh peek and see what was going on&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>way back in the distant past,  i stumbled into an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kuro5hin.org\/story\/2003\/9\/23\/134014\/311\">interview<\/a> over at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kuro5hin.org\/\">kuro5hin<\/a> with <a href=\"http:\/\/irate.sourceforge.net\/index.html\">irate<\/a> geek anthony jones by this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.imaginaryplanet.net\/weblogs\/idiotprogrammer\/index.php?p=83397666\">idiot programmer<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>this, of course, not to be confused with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.apple.com\/downloads\/macosx\/ipod_itunes\/irate.html\">other<\/a> irate, which apparently comes from <a href=\"http:\/\/liquidpurpose.ath.cx\/\" class=\"broken_link\">this guy<\/a>, who is not anthony jones.  nor should you confuse <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ajphoto.com\/\">this<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jacksonville.com\/tu-online\/stories\/052604\/met_15701637.shtml\" class=\"broken_link\">this<\/a> anthony jones.  this is turning into something as complex as the <a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2004\/01\/cracking_the_paris_hilton_problem.html\">paris hilton problem<\/a>.  but that&#8217;s a different subject.  back to the irate of interest&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>what we have here is a sort of peer-reviewed search engine &#8211; an aggregator, of sorts.  it&#8217;s centralized, managed, and precisely limited in its scope (apparently no plans to include p2p integration or payment mechanisms) &#8211; it&#8217;s simply about finding decent music.  that&#8217;s important as a potential solution to the problem of the <a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2003\/10\/where_have_the_musigeeks_gone.html\">missing musigeeks<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>on the downside, this solution is based on a widely distributed review model, so rather than finding a musigeek that&#8217;s deeply into something and that you can trust to tell you what you like (<a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2004\/01\/active_versus_passive_music_consumption.html\">hey dj<\/a>), you&#8217;re relying on thousands of one-click reviews.  as a discovery tool, it&#8217;s not a bad thing, as long as you&#8217;re willing to be active enough to twist it to your taste.<\/p>\n<p>new in development is a mechanism to normalize volume, which is a huge deal for me, since there&#8217;s a <a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2003\/08\/square_waves_suck.html\">race to be louder<\/a> with a lot of tracks, and the chances of getting thousands of bands to stick to a concept of recording standards is about zero.  even with just a few major labels, they ended up in a race for volume at the expense of the music.  anyway, this problem is pretty much completely unpossible to fix &#8211; if musicians put crappy recordings out there, you can&#8217;t blame anyone but the musicians.  i think you really have two options when it come to recording &#8211; make it sound good, or make it mean something and give it context.  if you&#8217;re smart, you&#8217;ll score a little bit of both.  someone remind me to come back to that subject someday.<\/p>\n<p>also new is some good news from the people at <a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/weblog\/entry\/4151\">creative commons<\/a> &#8211; support for the cc licenses and integration with <a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2003\/11\/magnatune.html\" class=\"broken_link\">magnatune<\/a>.  important developments, because this means musicians can engage irate and a path to revenue at the same time and on the terms they think work best.<\/p>\n<p>the can of worms this does open is the whole <a href=\"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/2004\/01\/active_versus_passive_music_consumption.html\">active vs. passive<\/a> media experience question &#8211; rating music is an active mode, and even a one-click vote (is that patented yet?) means being engaged in the listening experience.  that shows up in the comment <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cityofsound.com\/blog\/2003\/09\/irate_makes_you.html\">here<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve been surprised by how few people actually use the rating facility on iTunes. I thought it was normal to use it continually, but so few people I know share that compulsion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>long time meta-roj music business co-conspirator barry ritholtz has his <a href=\"http:\/\/bigpicture.typepad.com\/comments\/2003\/10\/_irate_radio_op.html\" class=\"broken_link\">review<\/a> of irate from back in october.  in his follow-up there, he brings up an interesting, constant problem in the business of music &#8211; which bin do you get stuck in?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The lack of genre distinction colors the rating process. Example: I tend to be pretty forgiving of alt.rock, as long as there\u2019s a melody and tasty guitar licks. So my overall rating on songs from that genre are probably on average higher then lets say pop or hip hop, where I tend to be much more critical (as I like the genre less). iRate has been feeding me more alt.rock songs; Good for listening, perhaps less good for musical discovery.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>ever since we started slapping labels on music, there&#8217;s been some difficulty with how well they stick, and who gets to pick the label.  is she a folk singer because she doesn&#8217;t have a drum kit behind her, or is she an acoustic rock goddess?  and the finer the grain gets, the more problem you have with discovery &#8211; spend all your time in the folk category and you missed some great music you really would enjoy over in the world music (what?) bin.<\/p>\n<p>i&#8217;ll throw the freebie at anthony on that subject.  i&#8217;m a big fan of a simple, elegant user interface, but&#8230; maybe there&#8217;s some room for the musigeekier irate users to collaboratively tag genres while they&#8217;re tagging ratings.  since the data is centralized, maybe there&#8217;s some potential in following them by individual &#8211; point me in the direction of barry&#8217;s idea of &#8220;good&#8221; &#8220;alt.rock.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>for a [very] little more on irate&#8230;. i drop the following suggestions:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/blog.notice.nu\/notice\/site.nsf\/0\/CE36C99E3AEF49E3C1256DFD007031D1\" class=\"broken_link\">jeroen<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bradsucks.net\/archives\/000345.php\" class=\"broken_link\">brad<\/a><\/p>\n<p>there you have it &#8211; because irate is still around, and the web is timeless.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>this has been sitting around gathering dust for months (september!), and i never got around to writing about it, so i thought i&#8217;d take a fresh peek and see what was going on&#8230;. way back in the distant past, i stumbled into an interview over at kuro5hin with irate geek anthony jones by this idiot [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[10],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/967"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=967"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/967\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=967"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=967"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/rojisan.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=967"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}